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Post by LKeet6 on Sept 24, 2019 7:46:36 GMT
But I'm currently interested in avoiding another 5 years of Tory/right wing rule right now. Ditto.
I'd just like a government with a social conscience - one that prioritises the basic needs of citizens above all else.
This is where Joe tells me that I have just described a Corbyn Labour government, and perhaps he's right (even though they don't have a monopoly on good ideas. I really liked the Lib Dem policy on adult education last week for instance)
In reality all any government ever does is move the dial back towards their ideal scenario without ever achieving "perfection".
Achieving 50% of what needs to happen in a few key areas with cooperation with other parties is preferable to this endless tribal merry go round that inevitably leads to defeat, and worse than achieving 0%, allowing the Tories to make things even worse
Of course Labour doesn't have a monopoly on good ideas. What is usally debated over is stuff directloy relating to the economy, or big public service stuff. There's still a lot of stuff outside of that (or more minor points within that, which are less ideologically based...)
The green party have loads of good policy...
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Sept 24, 2019 8:27:14 GMT
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Post by joegolferg on Sept 24, 2019 8:27:14 GMT
So remain will be on the ballot. This is exactly what remainers have been asking for the whole time, a second referendum with remain as an option - so what's their problem? The problem is that remainers, just like brexiteers with no deal, are being told that remaining or revoking A50 is THE position to hold.
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Post by paulus on Sept 24, 2019 11:26:30 GMT
So parliament is back in session after the supreme court ruled BoJo's proroguing as unlawful. NSS. Effectively he lied to the Queen - tho the ruling falls short of saying that, it was unanimous.
Will he step down? Will he fuck...
Changes much? Not really - just more time for parliament to put the brakes on no-deal. 2nd referendum increasingly looks the only way out of here...
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Post by joegolferg on Sept 24, 2019 13:29:10 GMT
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Oct 1, 2019 9:14:26 GMT
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Post by joegolferg on Oct 1, 2019 9:14:26 GMT
Why are Lib Dem supporters still backing her? She's as tory as they come.
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Post by paulus on Oct 1, 2019 9:42:09 GMT
How very partisan. Not Tory at all - see the policies.
That she wants to play the political game is a given - she's a leader of a national party. JC has played more than a few himself in the last couple of months. Along with BoJo.
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Post by joegolferg on Oct 1, 2019 10:41:03 GMT
How very partisan. Not Tory at all - see the policies. That she wants to play the political game is a given - she's a leader of a national party. JC has played more than a few himself in the last couple of months. Along with BoJo. Not tory at all? She litteraly voted with the tory government more than most tories during the coalition. What gapne is she playing and what does she wish to achieve? |
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Post by joegolferg on Oct 3, 2019 17:58:36 GMT
This is basically the party line for the Lib Dems.
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Post by joegolferg on Oct 4, 2019 19:27:49 GMT
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Post by joegolferg on Oct 8, 2019 19:47:30 GMT
If Jo wants to hand pick a caretaker PM maybe it would've helped if her party had won many more votes in the last GE. Corbyn is the leader of the largest opposition party in Britain and so he traditionally becomes the candidate for caretaker PM. Have the Lib Dems no respect for democracy at all?
Oh well, I suppose it's a no deal surprise after all. On the upside we'll have no obligations to the EU institution, only fair trade. No my preffered option in such an abrupt way, but this is being forced by the new David Cameron Party.
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Post by jacko on Oct 9, 2019 12:02:33 GMT
If Jo wants to hand pick a caretaker PM maybe it would've helped if her party had won many more votes in the last GE. Corbyn is the leader of the largest opposition party in Britain and so he traditionally becomes the candidate for caretaker PM. Have the Lib Dems no respect for democracy at all?
Swinsons tone is all wrong. But...
How our democracy works is that you need to command a majority in the house of commons to be PM. Even with the Lib Dems & SNP, Corbyn won't have the numbers to do so. He needs ex Tory MP's to back him. And they won't.
But you're right that constitutionally he has the right to try and form a government if the current one collapses. So the compromise seems quite simple to me.
Everyone agrees that Corbyn has first crack at forming a temporary government.
If he can't, everyone agrees on a candidate who might be able to.
That's the grown up thing to do. As ever, bullshit party politics trumps the national interest. "We don't stop a no deal Brexit unless Corbyn is PM" is just as contemptible as "we won't allow Corbyn to become PM to stop a no deal Brexit".
All sides are equally guilty and will have to explain to the thousands made redundant from car factories why they allowed petty squabbles to cost them their jobs 
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Oct 10, 2019 9:32:49 GMT
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Post by joegolferg on Oct 10, 2019 9:32:49 GMT
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Oct 13, 2019 11:39:24 GMT
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Post by LKeet6 on Oct 13, 2019 11:39:24 GMT
Given that the lib Dems would do a no deal and would never in a Million years back Corbyn on anything, it's CLEAR which party that are more closely aligned with.
Corbyn really isn't THAT far left, so the lib Dems are solidly right of centre.
I guess some may disagree and feel that Corbyn is in fact "radical/far" left, but I don't think I've made any kind of logical leap there in judging the lib Dems.
Horrible party.
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Post by jacko on Oct 18, 2019 18:34:25 GMT
Well, looks like 10-15 Labour MP's are going to wave through Bozo's bare bones deal tomorrow, just to "get it done".
Reality is, it doesn't "get it done", it just starts a new process whereby this country gets rinsed at the negotiating table in all future trade negotiations, inc with our friend Donny.
Everything we own sold off, our protections slowly whittled down to nothing, and so called Labour MP's will have facilitated it. Shame on them
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Oct 19, 2019 9:06:43 GMT
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Post by joegolferg on Oct 19, 2019 9:06:43 GMT
Well, looks like 10-15 Labour MP's are going to wave through Bozo's bare bones deal tomorrow, just to "get it done".
Reality is, it doesn't "get it done", it just starts a new process whereby this country gets rinsed at the negotiating table in all future trade negotiations, inc with our friend Donny.
Everything we own sold off, our protections slowly whittled down to nothing, and so called Labour MP's will have facilitated it. Shame on them
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