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Post by trump2020 on Oct 10, 2020 17:32:43 GMT
I’m going to veer off into conspiracy territory,
I say bye bye to having any reasonable and adult debate with you...thanks for showing your true colors. Carryon posting but I won't be posting any replies. I deal in reality, always have and always will. I can see why this forum doesn’t get much activity, it’s because of you. You turn into a baby whenever someone has a differing opinion...my god. TDS is very real with you. And what debate?! I bring up point after point, give you examples when you ask, and all you do is ignore it. I ask you to respond again, and you continue to ignore it and give little snarky replies like this. Never responded about maskless Biden, no response about the fake news...seems all you want this place to be is an echo chamber of orange man bad. Yes, it is my belief that if Joe Biden wins, he will not serve out his term. I deal in the reality that there are a lot of shady people in Washington. I think they cover up for Biden a lot, but no longer will if he wins. Not to mention even without the conspiracy stuff, given the age of the two candidates it is reasonable to look at the possibility of the VP taking over. Kamala Harris is absolutely terrible. Also, I noticed you and a few others talking about Trump possibly having faked getting COVID. Funny, you seem to have no problem with conspiracy theories, as long as it’s from the left. 🙄 |
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Post by trump2020 on Oct 10, 2020 19:10:28 GMT
Here’s another instance of fake news. The group that was plotting to kidnap and possibly kill Gretchen Whitmer is being labeled right wing. Trump is getting blamed. What they fail to tell you, is that one of the members attended a BLM protest. They have called Trump a tyrant. They hate cops. There’s a video with an anarchy flag in the background. They are anarchists, not Trump supporters.
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Post by ErixonStone on Oct 11, 2020 0:45:36 GMT
it is my belief that he really is just a Trojan horse. He is going to be controlled and eventually pushed out with the 25th amendment. Joe Biden is no trojan horse. The closest he will let anyone even remotely on the left is, perhaps, Secretary of the Treasury. I strongly believe this is why Nancy Pelosi is starting this up now. It’s not about Trump, because we know Pence would not go along with that, probably ever. You need the VP to be on board. Kamala however, would absolutely move on Biden. There is no plot against Joe Biden that is being conceived by Nancy Pelosi. Pelosi pretty much agrees with Biden on policy, so there's no reason for her to push for Biden to be removed. This is about the next term if Trump happens to win reelection. I think the plan is for her to be President, Biden is just being used because he has the best chance of winning. The plan is, undoubtedly, for Kamala Harris to become President. In 2024. There is no plan to replace Biden before then. It would be political suicide. The thought of Kamala Harris being President makes want to puke honestly, she is extremely unlikable. I know many feel this way about Trump, but it’s impossible for me to imagine people actually being fans of her. I would point towards the Democratic Primary and say that almost nobody likes Kamala Harris as president. She failed to even make it to the Iowa Caucuses. I also, do not like her. I am curious to hear the reasons, though, because I imagine my criticisms of her will differ wildly from yours. I also do not like a few of the names you mentioned like AOC. It was my belief that when people say “far left” or radical left, they are referring to people like AOC, Tlaib, Omar, etc? From what I can tell, progressive politicians are terribly misrepresented in conservative media. Almost every criticism of these politicians relies on bad-faith arguments like "they want to ban cows, cars and airplanes" or "they hate America" or that they are "socialists" without ever discussing their actual positions on any of the issues, or explaining why being a "socialist" would necessarily be a bad thing. We've just kind of grown up being told "communism/socialism is bad, mmkay," without any inspection of what those terms are, and how we can take some ideas from that ideology and apply it to our systems. I think that, if we discussed the issues one-by-one without applying an ideological label to our positions, we would be better able to find solutions. |
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Post by trump2020 on Oct 11, 2020 2:31:42 GMT
I hope you are right! I still believe that there might be dementia going on, and that we are pretty much witnessing a real like Weekend at Bernies where he’s being drugged up to fight his deterioration and controlled lol. I don’t know, I could be way off. Maybe he’s fine. It’s just my gut that something is off and he will be pushed out if he wins. Hopefully he doesn’t win (for me), but I guess time will tell.Even if he’s 100%, I would still be for Trump though. Trump is that guy you either love or hate, I love him. I know he’s not perfect by any means, but the media really is completely against him. Fake news is very real. I think that just makes me like him more, I know a lot of people feel the same.
From what I know, Kamala was awful as Attorney General. She was obliterated by Tulsi Gabbard (who I like on the Democrat side) in the debate. She’s also, from a personality standpoint, just unlikable. Everything about her from her voice, and stupid faces like she did in the debate, she just has a grating personality. Not someone I could ever get behind. It’s literally impossible for me to imagine anyone saying “I love Kamala Harris!!” She’s just....terrible.
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Post by Not Trump 2020 on Oct 14, 2020 9:53:49 GMT
Ooh, things got exciting in here recently!
Here's my summary of our trump supporting friend:
BLM matter protests were all violent because I posted a video with a building on fire.
These new items I posted show fake news is a real thing because I believe they're fake.
Biden has had his mask off sometimes off camera, which means people can't criticise trump for telling people mask wearing is not that important.
Someone got frustrated with all the poorly argued points I've made, and stopped wanting to talk me, which means I'm the victim here, and shows how bad the Dems are.
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Post by ErixonStone on Oct 16, 2020 20:11:34 GMT
I hope you are right! I still believe that there might be dementia going on, and that we are pretty much witnessing a real like Weekend at Bernies where he’s being drugged up to fight his deterioration and controlled lol. I don’t know, I could be way off. Maybe he’s fine. It’s just my gut that something is off and he will be pushed out if he wins. I agree that Biden does not appear to be as sharp as he used to be. He has good appearances, and then, other times, seems like has no idea who or where he is. But I don't really care about that; I care about governance. Of course, mental state is a part of how I think the candidates will govern, but I don't hold President Trump high in that regard, either. Either he is working against the nation's best interest, or he is ineffective at fighting for it. I see the past four years as a wild deviation from his campaign, and I didn't believe him in 2016. I don't see him fighting for people with anything tangible, but I see him fighting for things that align with his own personal interests which happen to line up with the interests of the donor class. I see Trump aligning with theocrats who want to write laws based on religious beliefs, and I see him doing so to further his own interests. I see a potential Biden administration as a coup for Wall St., which is why Republicans like The Lincoln Project are pushing so hard right now. They know their wealth and power isn't going to be challenged by Biden, and it opens the door for up to another 20 years of economic conservative policy. That suit them just fine. I do not see a candidate fighting for economic policy that will help working people - the people who deliver the nation's productivity. I do not see a candidate investing in the future of our children, or easing people's minds about falling into poverty. The system suits them fine, and they're OK with it continuing as-is. With that said, all over the country, the Republican Party has been working to disenfranchise voters in order to maintain power. We've seen it in Wisconsin, Georgia, California and Florida. The President, himself, has been criticizing "mail-in voting" throughout the election cycle as wrought with fraud, all while encouraging his supporters to participate in "absentee voting." The important note is that these are the same thing, so he's gaslighting when he says that "mail-in voting" is bad but "absentee voting" is good. Hopefully he doesn’t win (for me), but I guess time will tell. Even if he’s 100%, I would still be for Trump though. Trump is that guy you either love or hate, I love him. I know he’s not perfect by any means, but the media really is completely against him. Fake news is very real. I think that just makes me like him more, I know a lot of people feel the same. I don't see what there is to like. In 2016, he campaigned on, among other things, bringing people healthcare, draining the swamp of corruption in DC, bringing back manufacturing jobs and ending the wars. Since he took office, his administration has not followed through on any of those promises. He is actively attempting to strike down the Affordable Care Act via the courts without any plan to replace it with anything better. He gave tax breaks to corporations and wealthy people, the effect of which is to drain the Treasury making public safety nets unmanageable. He replaced NAFTA with USMCA which failed to protect American manufacturing jobs in any way. He has continued Obama-era drone strikes in Syria and escalated tensions with Iran. As much as "the media is against him," there is other media that supports him. Somehow, the media outlet with the most viewership has convinced people that it isn't part of the mainstream. FOX News has the highest viewership of any news outlet in the entire country, so to say that the entire media is biased against the President is a complete falsehood. Are other mainstream outlets biased against the President? Yes. Yes, they are. But FOX News is the most-watched news outlet. Most-watched is the definition of "mainstream." The idea that other media outlets being biased against your guy makes you like him more is concerning. That type of response to criticism is achieved by cultivating us-versus-them mentality over a long period of time, and it clouds our judgment. When we take this view, then our guy must be, by definition, right, and therefore, the other guy must be wrong. We don't need to do any further investigation, so we do not allow ourselves to be moved in the other direction. But when "our guy" is pulling us away from our own belief, we tend to shift alongside our guy fairly easily. This is typical human behavior and we need to consciously work against the tendency. From what I know, Kamala was awful as Attorney General. She was obliterated by Tulsi Gabbard (who I like on the Democrat side) in the debate. She’s also, from a personality standpoint, just unlikable. Everything about her from her voice, and stupid faces like she did in the debate, she just has a grating personality. Not someone I could ever get behind. It’s literally impossible for me to imagine anyone saying “I love Kamala Harris!!” She’s just....terrible. Kamala Harris has a spotty record as AG. It's pretty bad, actually, but it matches up pretty well with the record of the President's pro-corporation, law-and-order rhetoric. Criticism of Harris is from the left-wing position. I don't know what Tulsi Gabbard is. I don't think she even knows what she is, either. She supports ending "regime-change wars" which leaves open support of war for any other reason. Apparently, she has a soft spot for Hindu authoritarians and a bias against Muslim communities. This is demonstrated by her position on Kashmir which, weirdly, contradicts her position in other cases. Recently, she introduced legislation to ban "ballot harvesting," which is simply the act of collecting mail-in ballots and dropping them off at voting drop-off locations. This was on the heels of a report by Project Veritas - one that has been entirely debunked by an outlet that has been known to produce fake stories - that Ilhan Omar was paying upwards of $800 in exchange for votes. Again, this claim has been demonstrated to be completely false. This shows that Gabbard can be baited, and her biases can be used against her. Furthermore, she brands herself as a progressive, but partners with the theocratic neoconservative PragerU (which is not an educational outlet, but rather an fossil fuel outlet). So, in summary, she's pretty shitty. |
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Post by trump2020 on Oct 16, 2020 20:54:09 GMT
I’ll get to the rest later, but I went straight to the bold. What are basing the Project Vertitas report being false on? The USA Today fact check? If it’s that, i don’t think a left leaning paper saying something against a Democrat isnt true, makes it case closed by any means. From what I understand, Project Veritas is threatening legal action for a retraction from The NY Times, we’ll see what happens. I have seen the video, I think Project Veritas is legit.
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Post by trump2020 on Oct 17, 2020 3:41:14 GMT
Ooh, things got exciting in here recently! Here's my summary of our trump supporting friend: BLM matter protests were all violent because I posted a video with a building on fire. These new items I posted show fake news is a real thing because I believe they're fake. Biden has had his mask off sometimes off camera, which means people can't criticise trump for telling people mask wearing is not that important. Someone got frustrated with all the poorly argued points I've made, and stopped wanting to talk me, which means I'm the victim here, and shows how bad the Dems are. All violent? No. Many? Yes. If you want more videos, I’ll be more than happy to post them. Would you like to see a police officer hit in the head with a bat? Yes there are peaceful BLM protests, but Antifa has basically taken over so many they now go hand in hand. I watch live streams many nights and see this bullshit violence, intimidation, and destruction...maybe try stepping outside of your msm bubble and see for yourself. Newsflash...you aren’t going to see it on CNN, NBC, CBS, ABC, etc. Funny you did nothing to actually dispute the fake news that I posted. Since all news is real according to you, then clearly you have to accept the Hunter Biden news as fact and that Joe Biden is a liar and corrupt. But are you going to say it? Why do I have a feeling you think it’s not true? 🤔 I am simply pointing out that Joe Biden is full of shit when it comes to masks. Rules for thee, but not for me applies. How can you talk about a national mask mandate, when he repeatedly gets seen not wearing them without social distancing? How do you not see the hypocrisy? Poorly argued? Lol. Nope. I made points, and got no rebuttal and only just a I’m not talking to you anymore. Claimed they no longer want to debate, when they never addressed anything I said and had no counter. There was never a debate to begin with. |
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Post by trump2020 on Oct 17, 2020 5:20:38 GMT
ErixonStone With regards to FOX News. Yes it’s the most viewed, but that’s a product of it being the only possible main news outlet for Trump supporters, or really Republicans in general you could say. There’s stuff like OANN....but that isn’t mainstream at all, obviously. Seriously...what else would a Republican watch, legit question. Maybe you don’t see the bias if you are Democrat.... but CNN, NBC, ABC, MSNBC, etc are all democrat stations. It’s logical that with Dem viewership being spread out, and Rep being focused on one channel... that they’d have the best ratings. But even then, I don’t think FOX News is just straight up Republican, compared to something like CNN is just blatantly biased towards Democrat. They are carried by guys like Tucker. Dem media is far more widespread, thats a fact. With the non tv stuff...it’s the same story. NYPost is the only main outlet that isn’t just Dem...and when they post something against Biden they get censored by Twitter and Facebook lol. Other than that, you have to reach to find something like Brietbart, hell even satire site BabylonBee is closer to the truth than what you get with mainstream! NYTimes and Washington Post are laughable with their blatant bias. Trump is correct about the msm being against him. It’s clear as day to me. I saw a video tonight of Biden doing a speech at a rally outside literally reading from huge teleprompter.....it was shown. It’s just an eye roll, but again, I do understand that people voting for Biden are only doing so becuase he is not Donald Trump. But still......Ugh. This is no President whatsoever. It’s easy to see scenarios where he’s going to be replaced, without it being some big conspiracy theory. There’s definitely something going on mentally. Obviously I support Trump, but regardless I view Biden as the package deal where Kamala Harris has the legitimate chance to take over. I just can’t stand her. I have said I’m no political expert..but I support police officers, I stand behind the FLAG, I’m sick of cancel culture BS. Why would I vote for someone who says cops should shoot dangerous criminals in the leg, like it’s as easy as a movie? STUPID. Trump isn’t perfect, but he’s way more in line with how I feel. If Dems had a better candidate, maybe I’d feel differently. It’s hard to believe this is the best they’ve got.
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Post by trump2020 on Oct 17, 2020 6:19:58 GMT
Since I’m assuming the “debunked” Project Veritas report on voter fraud with Ilan Omar involved is from a USA Today fact check, here is the rebuttal.
This story has not been debunked whatsoever. I think the issue lies with just automatically believing a fact check to be true when you don’t realize a publication may have a bias. We’ll see how this plays out. Voter fraud is very real, imo.
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Make America hate again 2020
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Post by Make America hate again 2020 on Oct 25, 2020 19:46:28 GMT
Let's see why these guys are voting trump...
"Yes, Borat actually moved in with two QAnon conspiracy-believing Trump supporters during the COVID-19 lockdown. Baron Cohen said of the experience, “the hardest thing I had to do was, I lived in character for five days in this lockdown house. I was waking up, having breakfast, lunch, dinner, going to sleep as Borat when I lived in a house with these two conspiracy theorists. You can’t have a moment out of character.”
Baron Cohen wanted to show “that they’re ordinary folks who are good people, who have just been fed this diet of lies. They’re completely different to the politicians who are motivated by their own power, who realized that they can create fear by spreading these lies through the most effective propaganda machine in history," AKA social media platforms."
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