TimB
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Post by TimB on Jan 12, 2021 18:52:31 GMT
Trump North. (Ontario Premier) just announced we are in another state of emergency and locking down like in spring.
Only thing I can say is
ABOUT FUCKING TIME!!!!!11!!
Should have been done long ago. We have half assed it since summer and are now paying the price.
I felt so strongly about this I actually sent the Premieres office an email a couple days ago saying we needed to lock down hard for a couple months and push hard on vaccinations. I've never sent an email to a politician before. Looks like he listened to me...or the new modeling data that has us at 40,000 new cases a day by February.
edited to add. I more scared now than I was when the pandemic hit and we didn't know anything. I'm a high risk person. If I get this there is a good chance I can die from it. Health problems over the years (including spending 10 months in the hospital in 2017 (Feb10-Nov28) in a "medically complex" unit.
Editing in this though, upon looking it up, doesn't look like much is changing, we are already in a half assed lockdown. More power to enforce, close some more businesses, work from home. Looks to be lip service so the hash dealer can look good. Unfortunate. Call me a hardass but I want to see a lock down like no other before. Stay the fuck home..all of us.
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Post by Dump Trump 2021 on Jan 13, 2021 16:45:11 GMT
UK experienced record deaths in 24hrs đ now over 100k for us.
Countries got fucking complacent.
And many still paying for the inaction and bloody minded (and political) refusal to listen to the experts at the start. All of this, the situation we landed in when the second wave started, goes back to the start. We gave it a headstart, and it's still benefiting from that.
I remember when all this debate started over at tgct. Of course nobody knew anything definitive then, but I remember so many of us saying what scientists were saying; this is worse than the flu, we have no vaccine, and there's a good chance of multiple waves, second wave coming around winter. And that's EXACTLY what has happened.
All the naysayers played all this down as doomsday talk; it won't be that bad, it's like the flu, we only need to protect the vulnerable etc etc. What were you basing that off?? Being "sick of listening to experts??"
The models were there! Again, we didn't know things like the death rate for certain, a lot was unknown, but they based the models off past experience?! You based your opinions off NOTHING?!
And don't say we're being clever in hindsight; ALL this stuff was predicted beforehand and, again, we didn't know exactly what would happen, but there was a range, and this result has fallen exactly within this range.
So, next time, maybe LISTEN TO THE EXPERTS!! Smh...
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Post by cliffs on Jan 18, 2021 17:14:30 GMT
Republicans in the Minnesota state Senate were feeling jubilant after the November election. They had held onto a slim majority following an onslaught by Democrats trying to win control. Now, it was time to party.
More than 100 senators, their spouses and their staff members gathered for a celebratory dinner at a catering hall outside the Twin Cities on Nov. 5, two days after Election Day. Masks were offered to guests on arrival, but there was little mask wearing over hours of dining and drinking, at a moment when a long-predicted surge in coronavirus infections was gripping the state.
At least four senators in attendance tested positive for COVID-19 in the days that followed. One was the Republican majority leader, Paul Gazelka, the stateâs most outspoken opponent of mask mandates and shutdown orders during the pandemic. He compared his symptoms to a âmoderate fluâ and recovered. So did two other senators who had tested positive after the dinner.
âOur future cannot be prolonged isolation, face coverings and limited activities,â Gazelka said defiantly in announcing his positive test.
The fourth was Sen. Jerry Relph, a Vietnam veteran and grandfather from St. Cloud, Minnesota. Struggling to breathe after testing positive for the coronavirus, he was admitted to a hospital in mid-November. He died Dec. 18 at age 76.
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Post by Dump Trump 2021 on Jan 22, 2021 18:21:26 GMT
From a live feed, today. Again, the "doomsday" people in the covid thread over there all said second strains would likely come, could be worse. But noooo, that was being too negative.
"New UK variant could be up to 30% more deadly than original
For someone aged 60 the average risk is that for 1,000 people who got infected, roughly 10 would be expected to die with the old virus, he says.
With the new virus, roughly 13 or 14 people might be expected to die, he says.
He said you would see this across the different age groups too.
He stresses there is uncertainty around these numbers but there seems to be an increase in mortality as well as transmissibility.
Updated at 5.24pm GMT
1h ago 17:12
Patrick Vallance is speaking now.
The new UK variant is transmitting between 30% and 70% more easily than the old one, he says.
It doesnât have a difference in terms of age distribution, he says.
On severity and mortality, he says data on patients in hospitals, the outcomes for those with the old and new variants are the same.
However, with anyone who has tested positive, thereâs evidence of an increased risk in those who have the new variant compared to the old virus, he says.
The data is currently uncertain, he stresses.
Updated at 5.25pm GMT
1h ago 17:10
The number of people who tested positive then died shortly after is continuing to climb due to the delayed effect, he says.
The number of deaths is steadily increasing and the most recent seven-day rolling average is more than 1,000 deaths a day â a very high rate that will probably continue to go up and take a while to come down, he says."
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Post by cliffs on Jan 22, 2021 19:44:41 GMT
That ^^^ is why I have hesitations on getting the vaccine.
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Post by Dump Trump 2021 on Jan 22, 2021 22:24:58 GMT
That ^^^ is why I have hesitations on getting the vaccine. From what I've been reading, they're fairly (very) confident the vaccine will cover both strains, at this point. Would you not want to be covered for the first strain anyway? It's still about... |
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Post by cliffs on Jan 22, 2021 22:30:40 GMT
That ^^^ is why I have hesitations on getting the vaccine. From what I've been reading, they're fairly (very) confident the vaccine will cover both strains, at this point. Would you not want to be covered for the first strain anyway? It's still about... Unfortunately there are more than 2 strains now. I will continue my social distancing and other protocols for now. My wife and I don't get the annual flu shot (only time I ever did, I was hospitalized with the worst flu I ever had. That was 40 years ago and I have not had the flu since). I was told I had to get a pneumonia vaccine 2 years ago and it was a 2 dose vaccine. I have never in my life had pneumonia and guess what I got 2 years in a row... |
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Post by Dump Trump 2021 on Jan 23, 2021 0:20:11 GMT
From what I've been reading, they're fairly (very) confident the vaccine will cover both strains, at this point. Would you not want to be covered for the first strain anyway? It's still about... Unfortunately there are more than 2 strains now. I will continue my social distancing and other protocols for now. My wife and I don't get the annual flu shot (only time I ever did, I was hospitalized with the worst flu I ever had. That was 40 years ago and I have not had the flu since). I was told I had to get a pneumonia vaccine 2 years ago and it was a 2 dose vaccine. I have never in my life had pneumonia and guess what I got 2 years in a row... Ah man, that sucks that you got pneumonia. My mum has had it 3 times, including when she was still very young; she's susceptible. It's scary. Sorry you went through that. What other strains have there been of covid? So you're not very trusting of vaccines then? |
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Post by cliffs on Jan 24, 2021 0:01:06 GMT
I am not antivaccine, I am a man of science and if it takes time to come up with a vaccine, then take that time. Why rush?
On a side note...my good son in law (not the one divorcing my other daughter) has had the 2nd round of vaccinations and is right now home in bed very sick...NOT with covid but with covid side effects. Sore arm, headache, nausea and his asthma has kicked in big time. That is probably the big reaction...his asthma.
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Post by cliffs on Jan 24, 2021 0:05:34 GMT
Scientists worry that vaccinations aren't proceeding fast enough to prevent new, perhaps deadlier coronavirus strains from emerging. New variants that can evade existing vaccines could create a cycle in which people need to keep getting new coronavirus shots for years. UK officials said Friday that the variant identified there could have a higher mortality rate than the original, though the evidence is "uncertain." The global vaccine rollout is racing against the clock: New, more infectious variants of the coronavirus are spreading worldwide, and it's unclear how well existing vaccines work against these strains. For now, vaccines seem effective against the strain identified in December in the UK, called B117. But preliminary research suggests vaccines may be less effective against B1351, the strain identified in South Africa. "It is all the more reason why we should be vaccinating as many people as you possibly can," Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, said on Thursday. "Viruses don't mutate unless they replicate, and if you can suppress that by a very good vaccine campaign, then you could actually avoid this deleterious effect that you might get from the mutations." But the process of getting shots into arms is off to a slow start in many countries. The US has administered more coronavirus vaccines than any other nation, but it has only given out roughly 19 million doses as of Friday. Scientists worry that the current pace of vaccinations may allow time for too many new strains to emerge. That could lead to a scenario in which scientists must update vaccines regularly. Michael Worobey, a viral evolutionary biologist at the University of Arizona, recently told the BBC that the emergence of new coronavirus strains could be "a glimpse into the future where we are going to be in an arms race with this virus, just like we are with flu." It's also possible that a deadlier strain will turn up before most people are vaccinated. In that case, coronavirus shots may be routinely required for young people, similar to polio or measles vaccines. The coronavirus' future depends heavily on our ability to control transmission quickly. The more people develop immunity - whether through natural infection or vaccines - the faster the virus will reach an endemic state, meaning it would circulate perpetually but no longer hit pandemic-level peaks. More here - news.yahoo.com/pace-coronavirus-vaccinations-now-may-142800750.html |
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Post by Dump Trump 2021 on Jan 24, 2021 0:15:59 GMT
Fauci's definitely right, in my opinion, that we still need to vaccinate as much as possible.
It will get rid of a lot of the original strain, hopefully a lot of the UK strain, and hopefully some or a lot of the SA strain.
As he said, the more it exists, the more it mutates...
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Post by cliffs on Jan 24, 2021 13:24:22 GMT
I ask, is there a vaccine for AIDS?
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Post by cliffs on Jan 25, 2021 17:42:17 GMT
Have another variant:
The U.S. now has its very own COVID-19 variant and scientists believe the burgeoning strain is likely linked to the surge in cases in Los Angeles County.
Two independent research groups discovered the strain in California while seeking the more contagious, possible more deadly, British variant in the state. Although the researchers found the UK strain â B.1.1.7 â in scattered cases in Los Angeles, San Diego and San Bernardino counties, they werenât expecting to discover a homegrown variant.
The California variant â CAL.20C - was barely detectable in early October, researchers from Cedars-Sinai Medical Center in Los Angeles said. But by late December, it accounted for 24% of virus samples taken from southern California patients and about 36% of tested Los Angeles samples.
The strain, scientists warned in their research report, âmay be partially responsible for the magnitude of the surge in COVID-19 on the West Coast.â
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Post by Dump Trump 2021 on Jan 27, 2021 17:51:35 GMT
(I'm angry with the individuals involved, for sure, but this shit goes beyond that. Our leaders have failed, our media have failed, our culture has failed and our obsession and complete lack of care with social media has been brutally exposed.)
Lives are being put at risk and the care of patients disrupted by a spate of hospital incursions from Covid-19 deniers whose online activity is channelling hatred against NHS staff, say healthcare and police chiefs.
In the latest example of a growing trend, a group of people were ejected by security from a Covid-19 ward last week as one of them filmed staff, claimed that the virus was a hoax and demanded that a seriously ill patient be sent home
âHe will die if he is taken from from here,â a consultant tells the man on footage, which was later shared on social media. Following contact by the Guardian, Facebook took down footage and other shocking posts in which conspiracy theorists described NHS staff as âventilator killersâ.
However, footage filmed at the hospital continues to be uploaded and shared online. Police on Wednesday said they were appealing for the publicâs help in finding a 45-year-old man from Kent in connection with the latest incident, which took place at East Surrey hospital. Distress was being caused due to âescalating abusive and threatening comments on social media targeting staffâ, the force said.
In the footage, a man behind the camera remonstrates with a consultant, who tells him that a patient will die if his oxygen tube is removed. When asked about what treatment is being given, the consultant explains that the patient has coronavirus pneumonia affecting both of lungs and is being treated with steroids and antibiotics.
The man behind the camera says that patient should be brought home and the treatment replaced with vitamin C, vitamin D and zinc, but is told by the consultant: âNone of those are proven treatments for coronavirus.â
Since New Yearâs Eve, when hundreds turned up outside St Thomasâ hospital in London, conspiracy theorists have stalked the wards of as many as a dozen hospitals to gather footage, which has been shared on social media. Fines have been issued or arrests made in the cases of at least seven people.
The Doctorsâ Association UK (DAUK), a union representing frontline medics, said it was unacceptable that staff working themselves into the ground to keep patients safe were having to worry about a new threat from Covid deniers and anti-maskers. It said Twitter and Facebook had a responsibility to ensure those breaking into hospitals to film footage were not given a platform.
âStaff are exhausted and are running on fumes. They should not be having to deal with abuse and even death threats on social media,â said Dr Samantha Batt-Rawden, the president of the DAUK.
âNor should they be worried about turning up for their shift due to crowds of people chanting âCovid is a hoaxâ outside hospitals full of patients who are sick and dying. This is decimating morale, but worse still, could be obstructing patient care.â
The incident at East Surrey hospital, where police issued fines and warnings and continue to investigate what they described as an âescalationâ on social media, comes after the arrests earlier this month of four men allegedly filming inside hospitals in the West Midlands and Worcestershire, and of a woman in Gloucestershire.
Security officers also removed apparent coronavirus deniers taking pictures of empty corridors at Colchester hospital, where the intensive care unit is at maximum capacity, while a woman was also fined in the first use of specific Covid-19 powers after social media posts claiming parts of a Hampshire hospital were empty. Hillingdon hospital and Croydon hospitals have also been targeted by intruders filming.
Chris Hopson, the chief executive of NHS Providers, which represents trusts in England, said the incursion was risky both to patients and staff. âTrust leaders are concerned about the recent activities of Covid deniers ranging filming empty areas at night-time and protesting outside hospitals,â he said.
âEntering a Covid ward, putting patient and staff lives at risk and then posting a video online afterwards plumbs new lows. Itâs not only dangerous, itâs also deeply disrespectful of the extraordinary efforts by frontline NHS staff who, day in, day out are working flat out to save the lives of seriously ill patients.
âNHS trusts take the security and safety of their staff, patients and visitors incredibly seriously and trust leaders have told us they have been reviewing security arrangements to ensure that appropriate protections are in place.â
Michael Wilson, the chief executive of Surrey and Sussex healthcare NHS trust, where the latest known incident occurred last week, said: âAny suggestion that Covid-19 doesnât exist or isnât serious is not only extremely disrespectful to the NHS staff caring for patients affected by the virus, but it also puts the lives of others at risk.â
The incidents at hospitals and their aftermath on social media were described by the Centre for Countering Digital Hate (CCDH) as âa new phase in the weaponisation of misinformationâ.
âIt is incredibly worrying that individuals radicalised on social media using misinformation and conspiracy theories are now being mobilised to take actions that directly put lives at risk and targets medical professionals,â said Imran Ahmed, the chief executive of the NGO, which works to counter online hate speech.
Facebook said it had taken down posts flagged by the Guardian and disabled multiple accounts. A spokesperson said: âWe remove Covid-19 misinformation that could lead to imminent physical harm, including false information about approved vaccines and treatments.â
The company said it had removed millions of pieces of content of that type and was working with fact-checking organisations.
East Surrey police said East Surrey hospital called them on Saturday about social media posts that included videos and abusive comments made towards hospital staff. They were related to the incident on Thursday when police were called following reports that a number of people had gained access to the critical care ward to visit a family member and were not wearing masks, had abused staff and refused to leave.
Two people were fined for breaching Covid-19 restrictions, and a breach of the peace warning led to the group leaving. On Wednesday Surrey police said Tobe Hayden Leigh, 45, of Maidstone, Kent, was wanted in relation to subsequent social media posts.
DCI Kimball Edey said: âWe would like to speak to Hayden Leigh in connection with this incident, and the escalating abusive and threatening comments being made towards hospital staff on social media. These comments are extremely concerning, and are obviously causing considerable distress for those who are being targeted.
âThe staff at the hospital, as are all NHS workers, are trying to care for desperately ill people in extremely challenging circumstances, and to be targeted and abused on social media in this way is simply unacceptable.â
Police said they also needed to locate Hayden-Leigh due to the public health risk he poseed after being in close proximity with a patient who remained seriously ill with Covid.
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Post by Dump Trump 2021 on Jan 28, 2021 16:15:47 GMT
Had to have a covid test to re-enter the UK. It was negative đ
(Here they stick a swab RIGHT up your nose. Fucking horrible.)
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